Alex Cooper

And so aging for women, it's this fear when really, again, like you said, for men, it's like, we're washed up, they're wise.

Mm-hmm.

It gives them integrity.

We're irrelevant.

And so there's this push and pull that I think at some point you're right.

Women have to look inward and start to say, why am I not tapping into this older generation who is looking down being like the hands out?

We got you.

That's why, speaking of you have this wisdom, you have talked about the gender gap when it comes to confidence.

As women, we are often doubted and underestimated by others and ourselves.

We struggle with imposter syndrome while men walk around with what you call unearned confidence.

As someone who has been such a symbol of strength for women around the world, when did you doubt yourself the most and how did you get through those periods?

It's like self-doubt because you are young and you are figuring it out.

And so the imposter syndrome, in your book, I love how you talk about this because it's

You talk about the tension that we often face as women between wanting to be viewed as both a woman of substance and a woman of style.

And so, right.

In other words, it's like you want to be respected for your brain and you also you want to be cool.

You want to have a career and you want to have a romantic relationship.

Mm hmm.

you somehow managed multiple identities at the same time.

You were an attorney and you were on the cover of Vogue.