Alex Cooper

It is about your values, uplifting women, building confidence.

And we're gonna get into all of it today.

But first, I kind of want to set the scene of how we even got here.

You have talked a lot about how we live in a world where a woman's appearance and our bodies are overly scrutinized and objectified.

I'm going to quote you.

You said it is the habit of the culture of the world to put women in their place by attacking their physical being.

Even after you went to Princeton and Harvard Law School, you were in the White House doing things like combating child obesity and advocating for girls' education.

The haters still chose to focus on your arms and your hair.

What was that experience like for you and how did you navigate it day to day and not let it distract you?

It does make sense.

And I think that's a great way to look at it, right?

Because you're able to compartmentalize essentially that this is the name of the game.

This is how it goes.

But it still doesn't mean that it's sexist, right?

They're attacking you for your looks and they're not doing that to a man.

Even you speaking, right?

We're talking about objectification because we as women experience that every day and then you're dealing with it on the world stage.

I also love it because you have a pattern of challenging norms.

And you refuse to shrink or to conform to the patriarchy, which I love.

And in your book, you talk about learning that, quote, if you can't beat them, work their fascination to your advantage.