Alex Cooper

It's one of my favorite quotes, truly, because it's so relatable.

Yeah.

From a very young age as women, we learn how to shapeshift, essentially.

And we constantly... We have to.

We have to.

It's unavoidable, right?

Biologically.

To survive.

Just to survive.

But that, when you're talking about leaning into the fascination, can you talk to me about how you personally learned to navigate it?

And how did you know, Michelle, when to lean in and when to pull back?

That makes so much sense because, again, in the book, you're talking about now the behind the scenes of the designers you were choosing and people that you were choosing to work with was so meticulous on your end.

But speaking about it, you can now speak about it

But at the time, I understand.

It's like I cannot be reduced to the dress and to the shoe and to the hair and the whole thing.

I want people to hear what I'm actually saying.

I have a question because I think this is pretty applicable to my audience.

because it's tough for women, obviously, when we're even talking about fashion.

A perfect example, a young woman is going for a job interview and she gets the lowdown, oh, this boss is a full misogynistic pig.

So she wears the dress instead of the pants because she is so acutely aware and maybe it's subconscious that if she leans into her conventionally feminine aura, then she probably will have a better chance at getting the job.