Alex Cooper

But is that okay?

Or are we abandoning ourselves and are we compromising ourselves?

Like, what do we do?

It's so refreshing because, again, I've seen obviously critics online being like, oh, my gosh, this is just this isn't for the time.

We don't need to hear about the nice dresses you're wearing.

And I'm like, that's the complete that you're actually feeding into why she had to write the book, because that's the exact point that you're still just seeing it.

I know, it's like such a good point.

It's like it can have such a fun freedom to it, but we would be remiss to not acknowledge everything that you've said in this book so brilliantly of just like, yes, but guys, we have to acknowledge that women just have such a different standard that we're held to.

And I appreciate you acknowledging that, yes, there is a different level of privilege as the two of us sitting here right now and the outfit choices that we're making.

Yes, we can decide to send a message to what we're wearing,

But a lot of times right now in our position, we are not being held to, well, you wore that, so you're not going to get the job now.

But if you rewound to our lives, like when I was a younger girl, I did dress a specific way because I knew I was in a male-dominated industry.

And I knew I would have a better time if I wore a tighter shirt because the guy would maybe give me more attention.

What I did with that, though, is so important.

And I appreciate you acknowledging that.

It's like, don't lose yourself to the game of

of the misogyny that we all get wrapped into and i want to talk about social media with you because this plays into it where that's the newest arena where women are being objectified and i emphasize newest we've been objectified for forever since day one but this is this is new um you've talked about how women and girls are demeaned devalued and disrespected

especially online now.

And we have studies to back it up, right?

Mental health issues, body image issues, self-esteem issues.