Alex Honnold

Totally.

Yeah, you should do the fMRI.

Yeah, you should have done 10 years ago because then you'd have your control.

And then you do it now and it'd be totally different.

And I went through exactly the same thing with public speaking.

Like I was always so afraid of public speaking.

I was also very shy and like just not like it was terrifying.

And now because of the free solo film tour and, you know, all the public things I've done since then, I'm like basically fine.

You know, so you still got a little nervous, but it's like basically easy now.

You're kind of like, well, that's a total change.

It's like obviously there's a tremendous capacity for humans to learn.

Yeah, well, I think that everyone's like, what's your hack to overcome fear?

And you're like, there's no hack.

You just get really freaking scared over and over for so long and eventually it's not that scary anymore.

But I will say that that's like a very enduring way to overcome your fear.

It's like if you're willing to go through that process,

Then you are actually unafraid, you know, because like you can do like hacks.

I mean, you can you like crank up loud rock music and just go for it, you know, like and there are plenty of examples of that.

And in what I'd call gravity assisted sports, like say if you're going to jump a cliff on skis, like you can get to the edge and be like, this is really scary.

And then be like, three, two, one, do it and just like go.