Alex Honnold

And that's the thing is I think because I do so many interviews with like, you know, when was the moment you decided to be a professional climber?

And I'm like, there's no moment.

Like I just did the thing for years and years.

And now looking backward, it looks like this amazing arc.

But at the moment, I spent years being like, should I go back to college?

Do I need a degree?

And then I spent a few years wondering if I should go back and get an executive MBA or something.

Because I was like, I don't want to go back to undergrad.

I've been living in my van for 10 years.

But you're kind of like, still, I need that validation.

I want to jump through the hoops.

And then really, it's only now that I'm kind of like, I don't think I need that.

No, no plan.

Or you just say, I'm living.

I'm just letting it play out.

We'll just see what happens.

It's going to be a grand adventure.

And I mean, I kind of hope my kids feel confident with that.

You know, just kind of like, well, I'm doing the best I can.

I'm practicing the things that I care about.