Alex Honnold

you still see a lot of very proficient climbers who, yeah, exactly.

Just kind of party, go hard.

I mean, cause so much of climbing just comes down to effort when you're doing the thing.

Like if you go climbing several days a week and you try your absolute hardest every time you're climbing, you're going to get pretty freaking good.

You know, whether you do red light therapy or like any of the weird other stuff or not.

So it's like, I mean, it really just comes down to your effort doing the thing.

And so, yeah, I mean, you could live and I mean, a lot of climbers, especially in the past lived on a diet of, of, you know, cigarettes and,

No, I think that's definitely a big thing.

I mean, I think I've thought in the past that in some ways I feel kind of lucky that I came up when I did in climbing, where it's like sort of pre-smartphone, pre-social, pre, you know, you just live in your car and you do the thing and that's it.

And that's your whole lifestyle.

I mean, currently, you know, I have all the social media accounts and things, but I don't have any of the apps on my phone.

I have a friend that manages it for me.

I, like, send all the content to her, but she posts stuff.

And so it's a nice way to sort of disconnect myself from scrolling aimlessly.

I don't really have the time anymore.

You know, it's like I'd rather play with my kids than for sure scroll.

Uh, you know, I was like, but no, I mean, that's, that's tough.

I mean, I think it'd be hard to be a kid now growing up, like thinking that that's the norm that you like have to be connected, that you have to be capturing everything, you know, documenting and then sharing it and posting and just all this stuff.

I've always felt like the thing about being a professional climber is that you just have to be a good climber.

Like first and foremost, the key to being a professional climber is being able to climb really well.