Alex Sujong Laughlin

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You can follow Kelsey on all social media at McKinneyKelsey. This podcast was produced by Alex Sujon-Loughlin, Ozzy Linus Goodman, and Jay Toel Vieira. Justin Ellis is Defector's projects editor. Jasper Wang and Sean Kuhn are Defector's business guys. Alex Sujon-Loughlin is Defector's supervising producer. Tom Lay is our editor-in-chief. Abigail Siegel is our intern.

Dan McQuaid runs our merch store, which you can find at normalgossip.store. Tara Jacoby designed our show art. Thank you to Rachel Hampton, Brandi Jensen, Sabrina Imbler, Dave McKenna, Chris Thompson, Heather Chen, Ray Ratto, David Roth, Catherine Hsu, Jasper Wang, Israel Darumala, and Patrick Redford for your help on this season. Thanks to the rest of the Defector staff.

Defector Media is a collectively owned, subscriber-based media company. Normal Gossip is a proud member of Radiotopia. Normal Gossip is hosted by Kelsey McKinney. I'm Sean Connard. And remember, you did not hear this from me.

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Hey, it's Alex. Thank you so much to some eagle-eyed listeners who alerted us to the fact that we mistakenly published an earlier version of this episode, which contains an error mixing up the Arctic and the Antarctic, which are famously polar opposites. If you're hearing this, then you'll hear the correct version, thank goodness.

And as promised in the Instagram post, this one actually has Kelsey crying in it.