Alex Wagner

Would you agree with that?

Or I don't know.

I mean, do you feel like it's the same?

Well, do they, do you feel, I feel like they have a more, it's a closer relationship.

Oh yeah.

I mean like, I bet, I'm sure Lemonheads as a concept existed while you were at CNN, but now it's like a bonafide, like subscription tier, people wear the sweatshirts, like it's a thing.

And that seems to be, to me at least, unique in like new media, that they want that connection.

They want that sort of tribal kinship with the people that they follow on YouTube or Substack or whatever.

Yeah.

Well, you may not think it's about you, but people who watch you want it to be about you.

I mean, I think they want Dawn.

They want to be Lemonheads.

I don't think your ambition is just to make it about you.

But I think that because it's you, people...

are attracted to it.

They want it.

Even the people that are paying to insult you online are paying to insult you online.

You know what I mean?

Because I know you made note of this, and I think it was a Times piece.

If you're making a nasty comment, you're paying to make that nasty comment, so bring it on.