Alex Wagner

I was, again, having this conversation about who has been, I mean, there's a number of people in this country who've been shaken out of their day-to-day lives, not by choice, right?

By force.

Accepting those individuals.

It feels like

If there is grassroots rage, organization, and indignation, it is not being mirrored in the sort of institutional response to all this, which is law firms capitulating, universities saying, okay, what deal can we make for you, with you?

Media companies saying, we'll take them off the air or we'll hire some different people and we'll change the lens of our focus.

How much do you think that institutional civility, if you will, is undermining a real citizen-led uncivility?

Or do you think the citizens still have – I mean, how do you see the landscape as it stands in terms of reaching that breaking point?

What things have you chosen?

It's a powerful tool that you have.

I mean, I wonder what you think.

I have to ask this in the context of civility, because the calls for civility always mushroom in moments of political protest and, you know, citizens on the street.

And when we saw those ICE protests in LA, they were deemed, you know, criminal and dangerous, even though, I mean, Waymo's accepted, they weren't

They weren't criminal for the large part, or they weren't dangerous.

And I sort of wonder whether you think there's a little bit of, not a risk, but that there needs to be a cautionary note sounded in and around this.

Because I believe that some of this crackdown on blue cities and states is to actually foment

you know, violent behavior or criminal behavior, which so far, you know, nobody's taken the bait.

But one wonders whether the calls for civility are just a red herring.

I mean, I'm saying this rhetorically more than anything else.

And really, whether Trump's just gunning for, you know, he wants people out in the streets and defacing property because that gives him the excuse to further crack down.