Alex Wagner

Do you find that challenging in these times as you see the sort of disposability with which this administration in particular handles the lives of certain people who aren't, and certain entire regions of the country that are critical or don't agree with them and their worldview?

I find it very challenging.

Okay.

Then it's hard.

The empathy is hard in those.

What did you think?

You know, I'm thinking of the moment when Charlie Kirk's widow said she forgave the man who assassinated her husband.

Did she?

What did you think of that?

Well, but you know, I think there's like the person and then there's the gesture.

And to me, at least, it was like, God, there's been so much finger pointing.

There's been so much rage stood up around this.

There's a president who's taken it as a moment to, you know, go after left wing radicals.

I thought it was actually like I thought whatever the motivations and the timeline for someone to call for forgiveness, difficult forgiveness in a time when we seem so incapable of forgiving anything.

I actually thought it was like a profound moment as as just the gesture itself, you know.

And I, you know, I, I find a lot of things appalling about what Charlie Kirk was talking about, but just, it's been so long that we've heard that, um, kind of like just notion that, you know, to be, to be, to offer kindness in a moment of peril is anyway, that's, that's just me.

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