Alex Wagner

So that would be an interesting moral conundrum for them.

I mean, the last time I believe an American president invoked the Insurrection Act was George H.W.

Bush during the L.A.

riots, right?

Yes.

How did that happen?

Oh, imagine that.

The invitation of the state back when invites were when consent mattered.

Yeah, exactly.

But prior to that, it was kind of I was looking at a timeline.

Thank you, USA Today, of when it was most invoked.

And it looked like the 1870s was kind of the high watermark for the invocation of the Insurrection Act.

Unbelievable.

I mean, as I said, we're recording this.

It's important to timestamp the recording because the situation is so kinetic and new videos emerge, it feels like, every day.

I mean, just a few days ago, there's a video of federal agents...

Seen on video dragging a woman from her car, doing a protest and throwing her to the ground as they try and clear the streets.

And I'm reminded as these videos come across the transom of the words of the governor of Minnesota earlier this week who said, if you see ICE agents, hit record.

which is something people are doing and props to them because that's not without some potential peril.

But I wonder, you know, if you're a lay person and you're living in one of these neighborhoods, or even if you're not, what levers exist for people outside of government to hold ICE accountable beyond their camera phones?