Alex Wiltschko

And that's basically all that Oracle is used for.

That's basically what SAP is.

That's what Salesforce is.

And if you could create a way simpler version of that that's super intuitive,

that might be a big market.

And that was basically the genesis of Airtable was like, I want to go and like basically PLGFI, before that even was a term, like this category.

Sure, sure.

Like what was the first step?

I mean, the second time around, like, so this was my second company then, Airtable.

You know, I wanted to do things a little bit differently than the first time.

Like the first time was kind of like, just go and like,

apply to YC, get in, do whatever it takes to get some traction.

It literally felt like this roller coaster.

Every week it was like, launch, get some sign ups, go and raise money.

And Airtable was a lot more premeditated.

We spent two and a half years building the product before even launching.

Wow.

It was actually weirdly a very parallel timeline to Figma.

So, like, both spent, like, two and a half years around the same time.

Launched around the same time.