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Alexandr (Alex) Wang

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

They've instantaneously war-gamed out the whole situation.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

And then it's like, then it, I think, I honestly think, so then it's like, we know, and you know, like, Blue Forces, Red Forces, we both know that

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

we both have like, you know, this perfectly war game scenarios, which avenue do you pick?

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

And then it becomes this really complicated, almost like psychological, you know, kind of situation where it's like, then it like all comes down to how good our intel is.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

So how good is our intel about that commander?

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

How good is our intel about what their collection capabilities are?

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

How good is our intel about, you know, what they likely know about us and vice versa.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

And it gets pretty... So this is actually...

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

Yeah, and I think timing really matters here because if we get this capability, and this will go for, I mean, there's way more AI we'll be able to do, but let's say we get this capability a year ahead of adversaries.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

then we're just gonna be able to respond so much faster.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

The analogy I often use is like, imagine we were playing chess, but for every one move you take, I can take 10 moves.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

I'm just gonna win.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

And that's the asymmetric advantage that comes out of this capability.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

Um, and then once it, but then once it equalizes, then, then it's like this very, you know, it's like to your point, it becomes this like adversarial Intel based, you know, capability based kind of conflict.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

So I think then

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

I mean, China's demonstrated with DeepSeek and models that have come out since then, they're going to be very competitive on AI.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

And I think in 2024, so last year, there were something like 80 contracts between large-language model AI companies in China and the People Liberation Army, the PLA.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

That number is not 80 in the United States.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

The United States is like way, way less than 80.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

So they're very clearly accelerating the integration of AI into their national security and into their military apparatus very quickly.