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Alexandr (Alex) Wang

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

advanced, very advanced cyber AI invalidates nuclear deterrence.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

What do I mean by this?

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

Right now,

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

you know, nobody fires nukes because we have MAD, we have Mutually Assured Destruction, and if I do a first strike against another country, they're going to be able to, while that nuke is in the air, do a second strike and we'll both, you know, there'll be destruction on both sides.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

It'll be really bad.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

So because of this second strike capability, luckily, we have a proper, you know, we have real deterrence.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

Well, what if instead...

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

Let's say I'm in the United States and I have the most advanced AI cyber hacking capabilities in the world.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

I can build AI agents that can hack into any other country, can turn off their energy grid, can disable their weapon systems, can disable everything.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

What do I do instead?

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

I launch the first strike.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

First, I send in my cyber AI agent capabilities.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

I send my cyber AI force effectively to disable all the weapon systems.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

of the enemy country.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

And because I have so much AI capacity, I can disable all of your weapon systems.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

And then I send my first strike.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

And then you don't have a second strike capability.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

So if that happens, basically the combination

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

of AI and nuclear... You cannot deter AI plus nuclear with just nuclear.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

So then it forces this... That's what will force this proliferation of AI capabilities.