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Alexandr (Alex) Wang

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

And so even small countries are going to need to invest in lots of AI capabilities because their nuclear weapons are no longer a sufficient deterrent.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

What about bioweapons?

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

Yeah, this is...

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

This is the element that is really underrated right now.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

So COVID leaked out of a virology lab in Wuhan and basically shut the world down for two years.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

And that's like...

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

That's like the the level one, you know Bio risk kind of stuff like this was relatively a relatively You know innocuous, let's say Pathogen, but it still killed, you know, probably at least 10 million people globally and it was still, you know Shut the whole world down for two years well recent models new models

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

the new AI models are able to outperform 95% of MIT virologists.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

So the newest models from OpenAI and Google are smarter than literally 95% of virologists at MIT, based on a recent study by the Center for AI Safety.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

So whether it's right now or whether it's in a few years,

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

it will be feasible to use AI-based capabilities to help you design powerful pathogens.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

And what's more than that, you're gonna be able to design in certain characteristics of these pathogens.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

You'll be able to tune the virality, tune the lethality of them.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

Also due to recent advancements in synthetic biology, you now can create viruses that specifically target certain segments of DNA.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

So I could create a bioweapon that just targeted any individual with a certain segment of DNA, which means I can target basically any population or any group or any subsegment of the population in the world, which is really, really bad.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

And so the ability, so first, even without AI,

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

like biology synthetic biology is making so much progress and that there's just like all sorts of inherent risk of uh like all sorts of inherent risk of bioweaponry or you know leaks of of pathogens and and viruses and whatnot and then

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

With AI all of a sudden, not literally today's models, but models a few generations down, you're going to be able to use these AI systems to design or build next generation pathogens.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#208 Alexandr Wang - CEO, Scale AI

So that's an entire, I mean, for good reason, biological warfare is not, you know, one of the, is not, you know, there are international treaties such that we don't engage in biological warfare.