Ali Maxwell

Even though I am broadly optimistic, I do like him.

I learned a lot about Tuchel from one of the podcasts that Jonathan did, and Nagelsmann and Tuchel are like protégé and mentor, is that right?

I believe that according to their XG, Hull should theoretically have been relegated.

Instead, they've been promoted.

Is this a damning indictment of the XG statistic?

Is it a...

just speak volumes about Ollie McBurney and Joe Gowhart's finishing?

Or what does it tell us?

Yeah, look, playoff finals are often not good.

I think the Bolton-Stockport one, which we'll get to, was an exception.

It's all about winning.

And I remember being at the championship playoff final last season with Wilson and his Macca mates, and it was an OK game.

I think Sunderland were probably a bit lucky there.

But it doesn't matter.

It's all about winning.

And if your team wins, it's a brilliant day.

It's a fantastic occasion.

If your team loses, you just get out of Wembley as quick as you can and you go home and try and put it behind you.

So, yeah, this wasn't a good game.

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