Alisa Donovan

So this brings us to our book.

You have a new book coming out very soon.

Yes.

It's called A Little Bit Culty.

Also, the name of your podcast, which is a phenomenal name altogether, let's just say.

So the book is called A Little Bit Culty, Navigating Cults, Control, and Coercion.

So tell us a little bit about that and when it will be out.

Because I think some people don't understand how hard, uh, it is to like the, the, um, the repercussions of getting out, even the financial ones getting sued.

Like NXIVM is huge on suing people, which takes a ton of resources to combat.

When you have Claire Brodfin, her bank account, uh,

financing the entire organization.

It's just endless funds.

And very few people have that, if any, that are involved.

So aside from even the emotional difficulty and that sort of separation, it's actually financial and quite physical and literal often.

Oh my gosh, I bet.

I mean, you guys have sort of weathered quite a few storms, so...

That is also very admirable and impressive.

I can't believe that we have to end.

I just have such an incredible amount of admiration and respect for you.

And I am so thrilled that you took the time to talk with me and you just have a great spirit.