Alistair Campbell

And also, we discovered that we do have some reform supporters who listen to the podcast, probably so they can shout at us.

But even so, we do have some.

Now, I think, look, the answer to the question, Roy, is that Trump has created his own media ecosystem.

And that's what Farage is trying to do in the UK.

Trump has Fox News and the MAGA people.

That's their safe haven.

Farage has GB News.

Farage has several newspapers that absolutely give him the easiest ride in the world.

As Vinod says, Tice's interview, where he just behaves like a child, gets zero coverage.

This is a guy who's going to, if reform become the government, he's going to be a very, very serious figure.

There's these amazing videos doing the rounds online of some of these reform counsellors.

who basically, the one that's really sort of, I think, please stop selling it to me, people, is the one where the woman who says, you know, I don't know what a constitution is.

I don't understand what a standing order is.

I don't know what I'm supposed to be doing.

And she's leading a council.

So you've got all these councillors are falling by the wayside.

But do you see any of that in most of the media?

No.

So basically, Farage thinks if you just ignore this stuff, he'll go away.

Now, if I were him, if I were Nigel Farage, and I would...