Alistair Campbell

Frankly, all win a war against Russia, providing it doesn't unleash all the nukes.

So listen, as I said earlier, Rory, we're talking on the day that Keir Starmer's heading off to China.

First British prime minister to go in eight years.

He actually made quite an interesting speech about China, which didn't get much attention at the time.

His Lord Mayor's Banquet speech, or Lady Mayor, as she now is,

A lot of it was about China and essentially saying that we've sort of gone from this hot world where Cameron Osborne said China's where we sort of bank the future.

And then we've had eight years since Theresa May was prime minister where literally nobody has gone to China.

And whilst Macron's been there three or four times, Merz I think is going next month.

I mean, it is pretty dumb not to engage with China.

Do you know the new defense strategy?

They published the new defense strategy.

It doesn't even mention Taiwan.

China is just a sort of economic competitor as much as anything.

Hold on a minute.

Let's just on that for a bit.

Are they saying the Chinese shouldn't have an embassy here?

Or it's just a question of scale.

So on the one hand, we're saying that China is now this massive power on the part of America.

And on the other hand, we're saying they shouldn't have an embassy.

I think you're a bit harsh on that.