Alistair Campbell

But I think that's what we've all got to try to do, even when provoked by something as bad as this has to be called out.

But then we somehow have to get back to some of the basics.

The worst thing for me in relation to Gaza is

is that we're not talking about it.

Well, on that very depressing note, let's take a break.

And me, Alastair Campbell.

Now, Rory, Vinod, a gentleman by the name of Vinod, have you seen the car crash interview that Richard Tice did with Bloomberg, where he refused to engage with simple factual questions about the science of climate change

and its economic realities.

Curiously, this is getting virtually zero coverage.

No, I want to go straight into why do you want to get rid of Ed Miliband?

Well, are you buying the Richard Tye's arguments that Ed Miliband is in trying to sort of, you know, play a leadership role on climate change?

He's kind of destroying the world.

Is that where we are?

But how does that relate to what Ed Miliband's trying to do on the green agenda?

But you can't put that all at Ed Miliband's door.

Listen, Rory, nor can we have a question about Richard Tice become a big discussion of Rory Stewart saying Ed Miliband should go.

Can I just say something interesting on AI, Rory?

I was at a lovely place called Brescia.

yesterday in italy you just jumped from italy to hong kong in a day i know my green credentials are not very good this week um but anyway this conference in brescia is called the future future proof society and it was sort of looking all sorts of you know different this and that

But you'd have loved this discussion I had with a couple of people.