Alistair Campbell

You've got the middle powers, of which we're one, and you've got the smaller powers.

Albania is one of those.

And he said part of it was also...

He has to stay close to some of those Gulf countries and the Muslim side of life, as it were.

And I said to him, yeah, but you're also European.

So he's got a very, very tricky balancing act.

He, in a way, has been a victim of his own success.

He's become a much bigger figure in the world than the leader of most countries of three and four million people.

And therefore, that's why Trump invited him.

Now, he's not becoming one of the billion pound permanent members.

He just said he's going to support it.

But the point I was going to make is that what the Canada, UK, Germany, France, etc.

Imagine if they developed a board of middle power prosperity.

Imagine if they actually created a new government.

a new grouping, which was explicit.

This is what they're about.

And this happens all the time.

The G20 didn't exist until the crash.

And Gordon Brown, I think, led the creation of that.

BRICS, Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, that was a new formation, which is now developing.