Alistair Campbell

I mean, of course he can fire him.

Well, he could, but what it means in political management is he thinks his coalition falls apart.

Rory, we're talking about somebody who's been prime minister for many, many years over a long, long period of time.

He was prime minister when I first went into Downing Street with Tony Blair as prime minister.

So the moral question is fairly obvious to you and to me.

The political management question he's thinking through is because Netanyahu's desperate to stay in power for all sorts of reasons, including personal reasons to do with these corruption charges that he's facing.

He's got to have an election at some point.

And I don't know what outcome he would want from that election.

He would probably like to have a majority where he didn't necessarily need to fill his government with people like Ben-Gavir.

I don't know.

But Ben-Gavir, when the video is being made of him waving his flag and abusing the people from the flotilla, part of his mind will be thinking, this will be a good campaign video for me.

I don't think he even goes around the place saying he doesn't like them.

I think he felt on this one he had to condemn it because virtually most governments around the world were doing so.

But I think all of that will have boosted Ben-Gavir's own sense that from his perspective, politically, as a guy who's known to be such an extremist and who says some terrible things about...

And he probably felt the same about these people.

I mean, he was abusive, he was insulting.

But look, the point you're making about your Australian friends, though, is I've not got anybody quite like that.

But I do think there is definitely of all the issues around which there is this extreme polarisation.

I would say it's probably top of the list right now.

It's very hard to have conversations with people on either side who feel really, really, really passionate.