Alistair Campbell

Somebody pointed out to him that since he'd become prime minister, he'd spent 60% of his time traveling.

Okay.

Now here we have never hear care, right?

That's what they call it.

Mark Carney was challenged about that.

And he said, you know what?

I should probably be traveling even more because this is where leadership lies now.

This is where countries have to engage with each other.

And Keir should do the same.

This foreign policy stuff matters more than it's ever done because of the United States.

behaving the way that it's done.

That's what I was saying.

I think that if you put all these countries together, if Mark Carney wants to take what he said in Davos to the next level, it requires him, I think, to get three or four of the others to agree with his analysis and to agree with his conclusion.

And then to say, so for example, one of the other big moments in Davos was Donald Trump launching his Board of Peace campaign.

And if you look at it, it was basically Trump plus quite a lot of stans and quite a lot of people with very, very profound oligarchical tendencies.

OK, you didn't see many of the big democracies.

Well, this is a very interesting point.

I had an exchange with Eddie about that, and he said, we are not France or Canada, he said.

So they're a small power, okay?

You've got big powers, two.