Alistair Campbell

I'd think, well, when he was presenting LBC, I used to go on his show quite regularly.

We had perfectly civil conversations.

We did once have a very aggressive shouting match on television, but that was right after Brexit.

Nearly came to blows, but not quite.

But if he came on our podcast, we would do what we do with every other guest.

We would go through their childhood.

We'd go through their life.

We'd ask them what they think.

And yes, we would want to challenge him and impress him.

over certain things.

Yes, I would absolutely want to hold his feet to the fire about the damage that Brexit's done to the country, but we would not do it in a way to try and get cheap headlines, gotcha stuff, and the rest of it.

But I think Vinod's got a point.

I think they are scared of genuine scrutiny.

They like nice short videos, they like newspaper headlines that they write with the right-wing press, and they like GB News.

Anyway, Roy, on the subject of reform, we had a wonderful discussion in the main episode with Vicky Spratt, who did our miniseries on Gen Z. Lo and behold, we've got another miniseries.

And the first episode arrives this Friday, the day after this Question Time episode.

And it's all about reform and where the money comes from.

And it's very, very interesting.

The first episode will be available for everyone.

Mr. Tice, by the way, features prominently.