Alistair Campbell

I don't know.

But Ben-Gavir, when the video is being made of him waving his flag and abusing the people from the flotilla, part of his mind will be thinking, this will be a good campaign video for me.

I don't think he even goes around the place saying he doesn't like them.

I think he felt on this one he had to condemn it because virtually most governments around the world were doing so.

But I think all of that will have boosted Ben-Gavir's own sense that from his perspective, politically, as a guy who's known to be such an extremist and who says some terrible things about...

And he probably felt the same about these people.

I mean, he was abusive, he was insulting.

But look, the point you're making about your Australian friends, though, is I've not got anybody quite like that.

But I do think there is definitely of all the issues around which there is this extreme polarisation.

I would say it's probably top of the list right now.

It's very hard to have conversations with people on either side who feel really, really, really passionate.

But I think that's what we've all got to try to do, even when provoked by something as bad as this has to be called out.

But then we somehow have to get back to some of the basics.

The worst thing for me in relation to Gaza is

is that we're not talking about it.

Well, on that very depressing note, let's take a break.

And me, Alastair Campbell.

Now, Rory, Vinod, a gentleman by the name of Vinod, have you seen the car crash interview that Richard Tice did with Bloomberg, where he refused to engage with simple factual questions about the science of climate change

and its economic realities.

Curiously, this is getting virtually zero coverage.