Alistair Campbell

must be respected and protected during armed conflict.

They are to be treated as civilians so long as they do not directly take part in hostilities.

And they have the rights, if they are, in circumstances where the civilians are detained, they have, under international law, they must be informed of the reasons, be able to challenge the decision, receive adequate food, hygiene, and medical care, be given access to lawyers and consular representatives, and be held in conditions consistent with health and humanity."

And here's where we get onto Ben-Gavir and how he treats them.

They are to be protected from cruel, humiliating or degrading treatment, intimidation and insults, and public curiosity or degrading public exposure.

And public curiosity is meant to be prohibiting any display of the detainees for propaganda or for public spectacle.

Well, that is exactly what Ben-Gavir was doing.

Well, that is kind of where part of the debate is.

I still think there are enough Israelis who will be absolutely horrified by seeing what Ben-Gurion did.

That being said, there is going to be an election.

Netanyahu probably feels, in answer to your question, why doesn't Netanyahu fire him, he probably feels that politically he's not strong enough to do that.

I mean, of course he can fire him.

Well, he could, but what it means in political management is he thinks his coalition falls apart.

Rory, we're talking about somebody who's been prime minister for many, many years over a long, long period of time.

He was prime minister when I first went into Downing Street with Tony Blair as prime minister.

So the moral question is fairly obvious to you and to me.

The political management question he's thinking through is because Netanyahu's desperate to stay in power for all sorts of reasons, including personal reasons to do with these corruption charges that he's facing.

He's got to have an election at some point.

And I don't know what outcome he would want from that election.

He would probably like to have a majority where he didn't necessarily need to fill his government with people like Ben-Gavir.