Alistair Campbell

If you just think about some of those negotiations that I mentioned, and if you, in particular, if I just underline the point that the deal that was done, which Trump unilaterally just decided to tear up in his first term,

takes over a decade.

Now, the point that these guys make in their piece in Foreign Affairs is that the process of negotiation did positively influence the behavior of Iran, okay?

What you have here, I think, is a complete clash

of the nature of what good negotiations.

So Trump famously, the master of the art of the deal in his own mind, okay?

So his idea is you just go in there, you bulldoze them.

And this is what Vance kind of said.

He said, you know, we told them they've got to scrap their nukes and they said, no, right?

Deal's over.

We shut down the Strait of August.

They probably went in

with a fairly traditional negotiating mindset.

We've put out a few points there, some of which are absolute red lines, and some of which we're expecting then to have negotiation on.

And what I was expecting, mistakenly, just for an hour, thinking this was a normal presidency...

I was expecting that Vance would come out and say, look, we've made some progress.

There are certain really big sticking points.

We've got to address them.

I've got to go back to Washington.

But here's the team that is going to now sit down in detail with the Pakistanis in the chair to try to take this forward.