Alistair Campbell

In other words, you have a process.

And what they've done is they started a process.

They decided it's not gone exactly according to plan on day one.

Therefore, we blow up the process.

Yeah, absolutely.

The very first big move that we made was Tony Blair doing this speech in a very unionist area at a very unionist event.

So the mood music was very kind of on the unionist side.

But the big story within it, the announcement, as it were,

was that we were going to resume talks with Sinn Féin without them making any further concessions in relation to the activities of the IRA.

I think I'm right.

I think it was that visit that later in the day, Tony did a visit to a shopping centre.

And there were all these old ladies out with rubber gloves.

I know this is a different one, but it makes the same point.

They're out waving rubber gloves at Tony Blair.

And Tony said to him, why have they all got rubber gloves?

And it's because he shook hands with Gerry Adams.

And so even shaking hands with Gerry Adams at one point,

Now, how much would it have cost J.D.

Vance, for example, this is the highest level meeting between Iranian and American officials since the revolution four decades ago, okay?

How much would it have cost for there to have been a picture of a handshake or a picture that showed