Alistair Campbell

OK, and that's kind of what he's saying.

At which point Trump comes out and basically says he's pro-Iranian and he's soft on crime.

I mean, the guy's nuts.

I think we've got to stop pretending this is a normal president.

Your point about the Today program, I don't listen to the Today program every day, but I was speaking to somebody last week who does, who's a member of the cabinet, who said that last week, or was it the week before,

Five out of the seven days of the week on the BBC main bulletin at seven o'clock began with the words Donald Trump or a variation thereof.

What he says is deemed to be newsworthy, even when it's completely insane and actually needs a bit of a bit of context.

Maybe my final point for the break, Rory, is I've said to you before that one of the worst periods of my time with Tony Blair were the fuel protests.

20-odd years ago now, these fuel protests that are kicking off in Ireland are looking really bad, and I suspect they're not going to be the only country.

I'm in France at the moment.

There's quite a lot of garages saying no diesel.

I was speaking to somebody who says that their bill for their heating fuel has doubled.

since this thing started.

So this is going to eat into every country's politics and economics everywhere.

And all because, as you say, this guy decided, I'm going to take out Iran, even though everybody has told me, he's thought about this before, this is a crazy, crazy thing to do.

And me, Alistair Campbell.

So, Rory, how much do you wish you'd been with me talking to Zelensky?

Probably.

Just so that our listeners and viewers understand, I did postpone it once.

You did?