Alistair Campbell

Because I was on a plane.

Yeah.

But I thought, no, I can't postpone it.

No, no, you can't.

Okay.

I was talking to Luke Harding, who covers Ukraine for The Guardian, and he was saying the great thing about Zelensky is if you ask him a question, he tends to answer it.

And I did get that feeling.

He knew roughly what we were going to talk about.

I thought at one point, I worried he might get a bit fed up with all he's got to deal with, you know, do I really have to talk about my childhood and being a comedian and all that stuff?

But actually, he really seemed to enjoy talking about his past and about his mum and he has to phone her every day and all that stuff.

So I think he was very open.

He was very, very warm and kind of relaxed because at the start,

Lisa from the Ukrainian foreign ministry was brilliant in helping us to get this thing set up.

But she said, look, you need to understand sometimes when he's very, very tired, he prefers to speak in Ukrainian.

Okay.

So they had an interpreter on standby.

So I was chatting up the interpreter, explaining why it was always best if we kept the interpreter quiet or what have you.

Anyway, Zelensky came on and Zelensky had the, all my questions were being translated to him, which is why there's sometimes a little pause at the end.

But then he spoke in English and only very occasionally said to the interpreter, how do I say such and such?

But he was very relaxed, incredibly energetic.