Alistair Campbell

Now, I think she'd love to do something, be able to do something as kind of big and dramatic as that.

But it's very, very hard because there are processes, there are rules, etc.

But he's basically saying Europe has to become a bigger political project.

And when he said it in those terms, just think about it, UK.

I mean, OK, you mentioned George Robertson and George Robertson saying that we're not remotely in the state that we should be, but we're still one of the bigger European powers.

You take UK, Norway, Turkey and Ukraine, you're adding an awful lot of heft here.

to any military alliance at a time when the Americans do appear to be leaving us to it.

Now, we're still going to be, it will take a long time to fill any gap that Ukraine might be left by the United States.

And that's why he's pretty careful about how he speaks about them.

And this morning, Zelensky, there's a post that we read, Zelensky, for the first time in the war, an enemy position was captured entirely by ground robotic systems and drones without any infantry.

Right.

a robot entered the most dangerous zones instead of a soldier and took the positions, which you think, wow.

And David Petraeus, who we interviewed, the former CIA chief and senior military figure in the US, he said that Ukraine is becoming one of the really major military forces in the world.

I thought that bit of the interview was interesting.

The other thing I found fascinating

Really interesting was his analysis of Putin and his disbelief, really, that Wyckoff and Kushner in particular, but Trump as well, feel they have to believe him.

They have to trust him because they don't want to think that he might lie to them.

This is a guy who lies to everybody.

I also thought it was interesting the phrase that he used, you can't just have a week of celebration.

And I'll tell you what that put me in mind was Gaza.