Alistair Campbell

And he did make the very sensible observation that he wasn't sure it was a very good idea for Orban that J.D.

Vance turned up to Ukraine.

help him in his campaign.

Before we go, anybody who hasn't seen the Zelensky interview, just go to The Rest Is Politics Leading.

You can also find it on YouTube.

Rory, there's a book here.

You've really got to learn German because some of the best books at the moment are coming out in German.

This one, do you know Florence Gaub?

No.

Well, she works for NATO at the research place in Rome.

And she's written this book called Scenario, Die Zukunft steht auf dem Spiel, which basically means future is at stake.

And it's absolutely extraordinary.

A lot of it is about the battle of the Arctic that we talked about on the miniseries with Ken Rosen.

But essentially, she writes these chapters.

And at the end of the chapter, you, that's you, the reader, or you, a diplomat, or you, the military, or you, you, we, you read it.

She sets out a set of options that you can maybe take forward.

Partly to reveal just how complicated the world is right now, but also just to sort of get your mind thinking.

And I'm only halfway through, but the basic message coming through, and she's somebody who's European, German, working in NATO and what have you, but what's coming through is that China and Russia are

are doing a much better job of carving up the world in the future as they see it.

Well, publishers need to do this because these German books, it is honestly, it's yet another book I've read thinking, God, I wish I'd written that book.