Alistair Campbell

And Keir should do the same.

This foreign policy stuff matters more than it's ever done because of the United States.

behaving the way that it's done.

That's what I was saying.

I think that if you put all these countries together, if Mark Carney wants to take what he said in Davos to the next level, it requires him, I think, to get three or four of the others to agree with his analysis and to agree with his conclusion.

And then to say, so for example, one of the other big moments in Davos was Donald Trump launching his Board of Peace campaign.

And if you look at it, it was basically Trump plus quite a lot of stans and quite a lot of people with very, very profound oligarchical tendencies.

OK, you didn't see many of the big democracies.

Well, this is a very interesting point.

I had an exchange with Eddie about that, and he said, we are not France or Canada, he said.

So they're a small power, okay?

You've got big powers, two.

You've got the middle powers, of which we're one, and you've got the smaller powers.

Albania is one of those.

And he said part of it was also...

He has to stay close to some of those Gulf countries and the Muslim side of life, as it were.

And I said to him, yeah, but you're also European.

So he's got a very, very tricky balancing act.

He, in a way, has been a victim of his own success.

He's become a much bigger figure in the world than the leader of most countries of three and four million people.