Allie Beth Stuckey

Okay, so there is this verse, 2 Nephi, am I pronouncing that correctly?

Is it Nephi?

Okay, 25, 23, it is by grace we are saved after all we can do.

Can you clarify that?

But you made the good choice to choose him.

And that is something, that is an action that contributes to your salvation because you don't believe that he's going to scoop us out of the car if we don't reach up.

I believe that we're dead in our sin apart from Christ, like Ephesians 2 says, and I don't know any dead people who have ever reached up to you.

We don't believe that people don't have choices and they don't have responsibility and they don't have a sense of agency, but we do believe that God is completely sovereign over salvation.

Now, again, that's like a Calvinist, Arminianism debate that I'm not as interested in having with you, just because I think that there are other things that we can debate about.

But I do think it's just an important distinction between what we believe, what grace accomplishes, and when it actually kicks in.

I think you believe, and there are some Protestants who believe that grace kicks in a little bit later, and I believe it kicks in earlier.

And we believe that... On that particular issue.

On that issue.

Yeah, on that issue of a belief... Of course, you don't believe that a Baptist Arminian will have the fullness of relationship with God because they haven't gone through the Mormon church.

um i do want to just clarify something that i remembered that when you said that god's nature changes the malachi 3 6 says for i the lord do not change and not change therefore our children of jacob are not consumed so i just do think it's important that god himself describes himself is unchanging and i i do well i'll give you the chance to respond because i don't want it to just be like i said that so you can go ahead and then i do have two more clarifying questions so no i

Well, Jesus fulfilled the law.

And so that's what we know Jesus, that he became our cleansing.

He became our reconciliation.

The whole book of Galatians is saying, look, if you're trying to abide by any one law for your salvation, you better be ready to abide by all of them because perfection is the only thing that God accepts.

So you can try to do it through perfectly keeping the law, which none of you could ever do, or you could do it through Christ who has fulfilled the law and has died for your sins in accordance with the prophecies and the scriptures.