Amanda Scott

If he can put that in, someone can take it out.

It's the ought question, isn't it?

And a different worldview is the important thing.

They're less likely to be thinking linearly.

That's the thing, isn't it?

Yeah, but Daniel Schwarzenberger said, if we're going to act like gods, we need to have the compassion and prudence and wisdom of gods.

And how do we get to that, is the question.

Gosh, David, we've run so far over time and that is the question, isn't it?

How do we connect to the web of life such that we are being guided by it rather than being guided by commodification or profit or even...

Well-meaning.

I think the people who brought the cane toes to Australia thought they were doing something good.

They didn't decide they wanted to bring something that was going to destroy half the population.

Right.

Yes, yes.

But people who brought weasels to New Zealand thought they were going to help wipe out the rats that were causing the problems.

The law of unintended consequences is so huge, and our capacity to think complexly.

enough, complexly enough.

We think in complicated linear ways and our capacity to see the web is pretty limited, but the web can see.

And so it seems to me that what you're saying is we have this capacity to be astonishing assets to the web.

If we could take our instruction from the web and not from our own insecurities or sense of lack or desire for profit or any of the things that currently