Amelia Lester

And he disarms the camera and he also covers over perhaps another camera with some shrubbery because, again, she's sort of in the middle of the desert there.

and then you really don't see anything of his face.

The FBI has said maybe he has a moustache, but you can't really see anything of him.

And it's just the most horrifying imagery.

And clearly they've released this because this is my interpretation, but I don't think that the ransom notes were real because the deadline has passed.

They didn't pay the ransom.

We're not talking – Savannah Guthrie's not talking about a ransom anymore –

And clearly the FBI and law enforcement has no idea who this person is because that's why they've released this video so late in the piece.

There's no theories.

She was not a political figure.

If the ransom notes aren't real, then why did someone do this?

Jessie, I know that you used to host true crime conversations.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the idea of kidnapping someone for ransom really does feel like a relic, right?

Yeah.

To not even have a car, like a lead of a car, you would just think, well, another thing that's really confounded detectives on this is that that part of Arizona is very dark at night because it's, again, the desert.

There are actually rules about not having streetlights because of the nature of the ecosystem around there.

So I guess there's just no lighting.

But, I mean, to not have security cameras from neighbours, lots.

Yeah, exactly right.

It's just, it's completely bizarre.