Amin El-Hassan

They don't have that kind of first step.

So all of these things were combined that, oh, this guy's gonna be,

ringing up the rings over and over again.

And it started with that first finals loss.

It's not that they lost, it's that they got swept by a six seed.

I mean, his early years when he was young and dumb and didn't know any better, he was pretty good defensively.

And then as he starts to realize, I have, he got really scared over that.

We thought we were going to go.

Young and dumb and bad defensive player.

We talked about this the other day, Mike.

It's like it only takes one, right?

That's the saying, although the extended saying is a little different.

Same thing with young and dumb.

There's an extended saying that we don't say on air.

Then we just leave it to young and dumb.

But he was decent defensively.

Clearly, when he got with Phil Jackson, he bought into being a better defender.

I think it was, again, choice.

A lot of the stuff that Dan is talking about is that there's an appearance of choice with Shaq.

He chose to be in shape.