Amy Zimmerman

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WSJ Your Money Briefing · How Landing a Job Can Be Different for Men and Women · 2 Sep 2021 podcast

But we certainly see a level of confidence from men in roles that they aren't fully qualified for or don't have all of the experience for very differently than women.

Women tend to disclose more often.

So women will say, I've never done this before or I'm not certain of my skills in this area.

Usually the women that are a little more comfortable and a little more confident will follow up with, you know, I feel confident that I can learn or I'm a fast learner and I'm committed to learning or I'm ambitious.

But it's usually a dialogue where men will typically not call it out.

So you don't really find out that they don't have the skill unless you're able to suss it out in the interview until they're on the job.

And it maybe takes them a little longer to complete a task that maybe shouldn't have taken as long had they had the actual skill.

So men tend to negotiate for the job they want and women tend to negotiate for the job they have or the job they believe they're qualified for.

And so if there isn't a standard on comp for role, that's typically, in my experience, where the disconnect happens.

men negotiate higher and women wind up having to catch up for essentially their entire careers.

One of the ways to eliminate that is equal pay for equal job.

So regardless of the role that the person came to the new role with and or were qualified for, if they're doing the same job,

it might make sense for the company to consider paying the same amount of money regardless.

I think what it doesn't take into account is we all come to a job with a different level of experience.

And so you eliminate some of that, but in the process, you eliminate a good bit of the bias and the ability of the candidate from a negotiation perspective as well.

One of the things, and we actually have it on our website at Relay, is we encourage folks to apply for jobs even if they only check 50% of the boxes.

And so I constantly tell women, stretch yourself.

There's a level of bravery that's associated with applying for a job that you're not fully qualified for.

There's the unknown that can be daunting or intimidating.

But I think with the right coaching and the right support and for the company to have the right frame of mind.

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