Anas Sarwar

I think is the big, big challenge for this generation.

I actually think there's undoubtedly a challenge.

So it was 2007 when the SNP came to power.

And so I spent some of my time, of course, when there was a Scottish Labour government as well as when there was an SNP government.

But I think huge progress was made under a Labour government.

And I'm not going to pretend for a second that every single thing that the SNP has done in Scotland in the last 20 years has been bad.

Because I just think any politician that tells you that just isn't telling the truth.

There's a reason why they kept winning elections for 20 years.

There's a reason why people kept voting for them because they were doing some things that were good.

But my argument is they've lost their way and they aren't what they were.

And we need a change of government in Scotland, new ideas, new leadership, new energy, etc.,

but are there communities that feel as if structurally they've been left behind?

I think the honest answer to that is yes.

So it's interesting, we've talked about, Rory's mentioned around the impact on Muslim communities around the rise in Islamophobia or the impact on, you've mentioned around, so you can impact on minority communities and the rise of racism.

I think one of the dangers we have is let's not pretend that there's a hierarchy of inequality that exists in our country.

Let's be really honest.

For many working class communities, I think about East End of Glasgow where we are just now.

For generations, young people in East End of Glasgow, young white boys, their life chances, outcomes and life expectancy is defined not by their talent, not by their knowledge, not by their ability, but by their post score and their social background.

That is scandalous and shouldn't be happening.

So we've got to address those underlying harder issues if we are also going to take on that politics of fear and blame at the same time.