Anderson Cooper

We fall down, we get up.

Get back up again.

Isaiah, thank you so much.

It's been really lovely to talk to you.

And thank you for telling us about your family and your sisters.

If you have some thoughts about this conversation with Isaiah Thomas, we'd love to hear from you.

You can leave a comment at cnen.com slash allthereis.

There's a short film about Isaiah Thomas and his family's experience with loss called Go Forward.

It's part of a larger documentary that's currently in the works about his life and basketball career.

Thursday, May 21st, we won't have a new episode of our streaming show while there is live.

Instead, we'll be bringing you another new episode of this podcast.

It's a conversation I had with Today Show co-host Chanel Jones.

Her husband, Uche, died last May from glioblastoma.

I talk with her about her grief and also the recent loss of her grandmother, Josephine, who died on New Year's Eve at the age of 96.

That's coming up on All There Is.

If there's something you've learned in your grief that you think would be helpful for others, leave us a voicemail at 404-827-1805.

Thanks for listening.

Anderson, it was aggressively avoided.

It was more than not talked about.

It was a hairpin turn whenever the subject got close.