André Duqum

And instead of calling it work, you realize it's play.

Yes.

And it feels like it's just super on point with, I guess, your philosophy of how you approach life and how you live life.

This is just kind of coming to me now as a, as a thought, like,

the way I'm kind of thinking of improv or like this way sort of, of, of living is like one, there's just like a playful way to like be spontaneous in the moment and do something that's a pattern interrupt to how you've like typically done things.

And like the way that you do and act is tied to the way you think.

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But then there's also like cultivating a skill so then you can get rid of the knowledge of the theory and then be in the music.

You know, like the levels of learning, which I'm sure you're familiar with, of like starting with unconscious incompetence where you're like, you don't even know that you don't know.

And then you have conscious incompetence.

So like, you know that you don't know how to tie the shoes, how to play the scale or whatever.

And then you have this conscious competence where like you can do the thing, but it takes conscious effort to be present with it and to drive it.

And then the last step is unconscious competence where you can completely forget about the theory and the scales that you've learned on the piano, for example.

and then you can really flow and have range.

I'm curious how you, because I know your background in studying jazz in college and your music background, how you think about that tension of doing the work to then be able to throw away the theory and sense and then play from that space.

I'm sure it happened just like that.

Yeah, I'm thinking of everyone who's listening right now who some, you know, to varying degrees, I'm sure there's a spectrum of people who feel like they have the natural proclivity towards the traditional forms of the arts.

But it's cool because you're kind of describing...

being an artist as like the intention and attention you bring to something and the way you do something, not even just like what it is.

So like how, I'm just curious, like how do you think people can become and realize the artists inside of them and everything they do?