André Duqum

And there's a lot of this.

Yeah.

To like fully own your wants and your needs, which can be terrifying to admit and announce.

Yeah.

Requires a lot of vulnerability.

Yeah.

That's right.

Well, anything you would say on the women's side, and of course, this is an overgeneralization.

There can be many different textures of this, but there is this unrequited feeling of the chasing, of feeling like they're waiting.

Yeah, yeah.

How to stand upright is, I think, the goal on both sides.

Yeah, taking that responsibility for what your piece is and what the fundamental feelings we're avoiding and how that's externalizing as a behavior that we could point to as the problem.

You know, it's like, oh, they're avoidant and that's the issue.

Right.

Rather than the part that we have to play in the process of what we're avoiding feeling.

It's just a good observation.

The children being all the other emotions.

All the other emotions.

The shame, the fear, the guilt.

What do people usually masquerade their anger with?