Andrea Dunlop

Yeah.

Well, is there anything that you wish I had asked you that we did not ask you?

Yeah.

I mean, I think there's a possibility to that.

I mean – and, you know, we've really moved away in the space of talking about child abuse.

We've really – including Mark –

We've really moved away from describing Munchausen by proxy as a psychological disorder because that just really creates a lot of confusion and people then start to understand it as something that a psychologist could diagnose when they really can't.

They can't by evaluating a person.

They would have to be able to see all the records that would do what Mark does essentially.

when he reviews cases.

And that has just, you know, describing it that way has taken a lot of the focus off of the child who's being harmed and away from the fact that it is a crime that's being committed by a person who understands right from wrong.

So we are, you know, we still talk about it in a psychological context, but I think, but I think, you know, when it's harmed to a child, like you really have to look at it in these other sort of child welfare contexts.

Absolutely.

But with that said, we certainly understand that it is a deeply compulsive behavior.

And when you look at these cases over time and sort of where these behaviors start, often as teenagers, if not younger,

It seems like it needs a place to go.

And so like – and it will sort of move.

You know, we sort of see – you see it move on.

It's like mothers will move on to a younger child if a younger child is born.

If their children are on the house, they start perpetrating on themselves again or they start perpetrating on an older parent or someone they're caretaking for.