Andrea Dunlop

So it really does feel like it needs to have an out.

let?

So I think that is sort of like an uncomfortable question to sit with.

It's like, yes, it's bad, right?

We all recognize the harm that comes from people perpetrating these kinds of, you know, fraudulent behaviors online and that can be sort of exploitative.

And is that a better place for it than in the real world?

And also, obviously, a lot of people that are doing it in the real world also do it a lot online.

So it's like,

It's not necessarily an either or thing.

But yeah, I think it just it speaks to the question of like, what do we do with people who engage in these behaviors?

Because certainly not all of them will physically harm another person, but it is harmful.

And the vast majority of people do not want help.

Yeah, they're not willing to acknowledge the behavior.

They're not willing to take full accountability.

And they don't want help.

They want to be allowed to continue the behaviors.

And, you know, that's something that I've had some uncomfortable, you know, if you want to talk about sort of like groups of people that have coalesced around this.

The issue, you know, it's as you can imagine, you know, there are survivors that that engage in some behaviors that they've learned.

And it's very complicated.

You know, it's very complicated.