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a platform to tell their story about how they were wronged by a doctor who they were not wronged by, and furthermore, in this case with Amanda Cernofsky, giving her a platform to continue to blame her two-year-old, who is now six or seven...

For separating their family because she allegedly tossed the baby out of the bassinet where I'm like, well, are you able to confirm that that's what happened?

How that is not enabling child abuse.

And I think the only people that this media coverage helps and this sort of this, you know, the laws, the second opinion laws, the doubting of cap, the only people that helps are.

Yeah, there's all kinds of people that question science now.

Right.

And it's like I think like what I what I'm really wanting people to understand is that this is an argument that is in league with anti-vaxxers, not abolitionists.

Like this is not this is not a system reform argument.

This is an anti-science argument.

Yeah, agreed.

Well, Randy, thank you so much for being with us.

It was really such a pleasure to get to have you on the show.

This is our last episode on The Preventionist, but it's not the last we have to say about all of this.

We're hard at work making Season 7, so stay tuned for that.

And next week, as we close out the year, we're catching up with some friends from Season 6.

Nobody Should Believe Me is produced and hosted by me, Andrea Dunlop.

Our editor is Greta Stromquist, and our senior producer is Mariah Gossett.

Research and fact-checking by Erin Ajayi.

Administrative support from Nola Karmush.

I don't want to. But I don't know how else you describe somebody who does those things to children.