Andrea Dunlop

And I think as I've looked at so many subsequent cases, um, you know, usually I do, I will say usually even, and obviously these are like very extreme, you know, these are people who have, who have done really horrible things to children.

If anybody who ends up on my show has taken it to an extreme, not every Munchausen case is as extreme as the ones that are on my show, but certainly the ones who've been involved in like the criminal justice system and, you know, which is usually the ones we're covering, um,

Those people have taken it quite far.

They've done things like poison their children, smother their children, in some cases killed their children.

And it's a hard thing to see the humanity in people that do things like that.

And I think it's really important because I think if we ever want to understand how to protect children from it, then we need to understand why human beings do those things.

Yeah.

And need to recognize that it's sort of on a spectrum of human behavior that maybe we would not like to acknowledge exists.

Because I think it's much more comforting to say that person's a monster, I'm a regular human being, et cetera.

And as I have gotten to sort of know, you know, each of the perpetrators that I've covered, I'll always kind of have this interesting moment where I see sort of a flash of humanity come through.

Yeah.

some story about them, some story that one of their family members told me of some memory of them.

You know, with Sophie Hartman, you know, I ended up, I'm still friends with her.

I ended up getting to know someone who'd been one of her best friends really well.

And we still talk to each other all the time.

And like, there were journals included in the police reports where she talked about her personal experiences, like the way that she was experiencing it.

I've been this way since I was a kid.

And why do I do the things I do?

And it was just this very like sort of human moment.

And the one I had the most trouble with was our season six case.