Andrea Gunning

And so when you hear what two people mean to each other and then the fallout and what people end up having to carry because of that fallout, the weight of it for the viewer or the listener is profound.

And oftentimes, people who are capable of wearing that mask and lying feel no shame.

Feel no remorse.

When you think about the relationships, some of them are 20 years, some of them are 40.

These are meaningful to people.

They have to look back on their relationship and think, is it all a lie?

What did I miss?

And am I guilty by association?

Because I chose to love and invest in care.

So carrying the shame is a huge theme at Betrayal.

And it's kind of at the center because there isn't a storyteller that I haven't met

that hasn't felt that shame for what the person that they love did to them.

We have hundreds of people that write into the betrayal email, just who listened to the show, and want to, you know, share their story.

And I remember when Libby's story came across my desk.

For me, what was so interesting was that she was very honest about the fact that she didn't know the business end of her marriage.

And it wasn't until she was watching a program on TV that she realized, wait, something's not right.

Like she had that gut intuition, that feeling of, wait, let me explore, let me investigate this.

And it was in that piece where all of a sudden her intuition sparks.

I think looking back, she wishes she asked more questions, that she was more involved in the financial aspect of her marriage.

But at the end of the day, when you get married, you make arrangements all the time with the people that you trust.