Andrea

But, I mean, those are things we all get over as we do this.

And, you know, I knew I was like...

Tanya is going to listen to these and the first three episodes are going to be hard, but she's going to know like some people don't give you the benefit.

Well, the show is at its heart or at its core and has been marketed as a true crime story.

I think what's interesting and sets The Crimes of Margot Freshwater apart from some other true crime narratives is

I really believe this is a story, this is a human story, that whether or not you're a true crime fan, you can connect with at some level.

You know, I didn't necessarily set out to do that when I was making it, but then looking back, you know, and listening to it back, I realized there's a genre-bending aspect to this podcast.

And now I feel like we can all look back at it and be like,

wow, okay, this is true crime and then some.

I don't know what that some is, but I know it's different and I know people can connect with this, whether or not, you know, like,

That's your thing.

Likewise.

I know I, this was, I just, I looked back and I, uh, I mean, but not even looking back.

I mean, while I was in it, it was so unreal to me that I was entrusted to do this and it really couldn't have really, really couldn't have been done at all or, and especially at the pace it was done in without the incredible groundwork by you, by Carrie Hartman, by Trey, by Ben, um,

I am so grateful for that.

It was awesome.

I will really, really cherish this experience.

Let's dive on into this. All right. So we've had a lot of listeners sending questions. We have read your reviews. We have a lot to talk about. Yes, that we do. So probably the most asked question has been about the handcuffs and the shackles.

Let's dive on into this. All right. So we've had a lot of listeners sending questions. We have read your reviews. We have a lot to talk about. Yes, that we do. So probably the most asked question has been about the handcuffs and the shackles.

So the two questions are when and why did he have these shackles? And then the next question is generally, wasn't that tied to premeditation?