Andrew Dalack

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Well, first, Anushka, I want to thank you and the BBC for taking an interest in the conditions at MVC Brooklyn, because it is an important issue of significant public interest. Anybody who has a loved one detained in that facility, that they deeply care about their well-being and their safety there, and they have good reason to. It is as bad of a place as people say it is.

Well, first, Anushka, I want to thank you and the BBC for taking an interest in the conditions at MVC Brooklyn, because it is an important issue of significant public interest. Anybody who has a loved one detained in that facility, that they deeply care about their well-being and their safety there, and they have good reason to. It is as bad of a place as people say it is.

Well, first, Anushka, I want to thank you and the BBC for taking an interest in the conditions at MVC Brooklyn, because it is an important issue of significant public interest. Anybody who has a loved one detained in that facility, that they deeply care about their well-being and their safety there, and they have good reason to. It is as bad of a place as people say it is.

But the crux of the issue really is a completion of, I think, three factors that sort of work together to create a perfect storm. The first is chronic understaffing. So the jail is routinely operating anywhere from two-thirds to 75% sort of capacity at best at any given point. The second is overcrowdedness. There's just too many people there to begin with.

But the crux of the issue really is a completion of, I think, three factors that sort of work together to create a perfect storm. The first is chronic understaffing. So the jail is routinely operating anywhere from two-thirds to 75% sort of capacity at best at any given point. The second is overcrowdedness. There's just too many people there to begin with.

But the crux of the issue really is a completion of, I think, three factors that sort of work together to create a perfect storm. The first is chronic understaffing. So the jail is routinely operating anywhere from two-thirds to 75% sort of capacity at best at any given point. The second is overcrowdedness. There's just too many people there to begin with.

And then the third is a certain bureaucratic intransigence. So there are just there just does not appear to be a meaningful political will to do anything about the situation in MVC Brooklyn. And that's why we're trying to seize upon opportunities like this when it seems like the public takes a

And then the third is a certain bureaucratic intransigence. So there are just there just does not appear to be a meaningful political will to do anything about the situation in MVC Brooklyn. And that's why we're trying to seize upon opportunities like this when it seems like the public takes a

And then the third is a certain bureaucratic intransigence. So there are just there just does not appear to be a meaningful political will to do anything about the situation in MVC Brooklyn. And that's why we're trying to seize upon opportunities like this when it seems like the public takes a

a particular interest in the conditions there because there are certain high-profile individuals detained there. And we're happy that's the case, but it shouldn't be that people should care about the conditions of a particular facility because the people who are housed there are popular or have sort of public stature. Everybody's life matters equally in this regard.

a particular interest in the conditions there because there are certain high-profile individuals detained there. And we're happy that's the case, but it shouldn't be that people should care about the conditions of a particular facility because the people who are housed there are popular or have sort of public stature. Everybody's life matters equally in this regard.

a particular interest in the conditions there because there are certain high-profile individuals detained there. And we're happy that's the case, but it shouldn't be that people should care about the conditions of a particular facility because the people who are housed there are popular or have sort of public stature. Everybody's life matters equally in this regard.

And so it's really important that the public knows what's happening there.

And so it's really important that the public knows what's happening there.

And so it's really important that the public knows what's happening there.

MVC Brooklyn is divided into two separate buildings. There's a West building and there's an East building.

MVC Brooklyn is divided into two separate buildings. There's a West building and there's an East building.