Andrew Heaton

In terms of the spiritual defending things thing, let's say that there's an industry that—like, I work in entertainment.

Like, you're a journalist, but we're kind of broadly in the same media family, right?

Like, if stand-up comedy became less popular, I wouldn't want the government to prop it up.

And I do stand-up comedy, right?

Agreed.

I would question what you have done with your industry and why you couldn't make it more popular.

Right.

And if they're, same thing, if there are manufacturers that are making buggy whips or are making saddles and people don't want to ride horses as much, I don't think that there's any onus on the government to protect those industries.

I feel like we're getting into civil liberties now.

I would very much stand with you in First Amendment protection.

This is the problem I have with libertarians.

One plus one equals two.

Tim, as podcasters, we're already in competition with the entire planet.

You and I are in competition with porn any minute.

So I take umbrage with the idea that me promoting freedom is a communist plot.

I'm very much in favor of— I'm not saying that.

So a lot of people would harken to the 1950s as sort of the high-water mark of American manufacturing.

It is.

And if you were to compare us to the 1950s, we're more prosperous than we were in the 1950s.

If the 1950s existed now and it was a separate country we could visit, we would view it like Poland right after the Soviet Union came down.